Welcome back to WWYATS?

The last printed Where were you at the Shay? was a celebration edition following Stan Ternent's championship in 1997. It was never meant to be the last one, it just sort of happened that way. We'd laughed and moaned through several seasons and when all of a sudden you've been to Wembley and then had two consecutive promotions it seemed a little churlish to keep complaining.

Of course if we'd known what was to follow we'd have probably kept going, two seasons in the (real) 2nd division - now the Championship to those of you under 15 - the fall of Hugh Eaves, SOS, administration, BASE (remember them?), relegations, not to mention the combined mismanagement of Messers Warnock, Preece, Barrow and Casper have all gone without the barbed but considered comment of WWYATS?

In the world of the internet it is difficult, if not verging on the impossible, to produce a football fanzine that is reactive to current issues and come up with a different view, as dozens of people will have posted their thoughts on the message board(s) of their choosing within moments of them becoming common knowledge.

Hopefully this blog will allow the old team to sharpen its claws again, without the need to stand outside Gigg Lane in all weathers working out if we've broken even on the latest edition, and maybe even allow a new contributor or two to raise their head and have a say. The old favourites will be resurrected and a few new ones developed, and there'll be an opportunity for some WWYATS? gold with some classics from the old fanzines posted up for your enjoyment again.

Thanks for visiting, please pop back regularly and enjoy the blog.

Up The Shakers.

Sunday 21 April 2013

An hour with Joe Skarz


One of the regular accusations from the 21st century football fan is that the players don’t care, and that they don’t feel it like we do. The poor unfortunates with the life sentence supporting the club, ten, twenty, thirty plus years of service; we feel it, we live it, they just dip in and out.

This week I had the pleasure of spending an hour with Joe Skarz, virtually ever present at left back for the past three seasons and another victim of the cash flow problems that have taken over the Shakers season.


We started by talking through events that had led up to his move away from Gigg on deadline day. Joe explained that he had had discussions with Stevenage but as there was no manager in place, and a long distance away. He didn’t fancy such a long distance move and wanted to stay at the club to try to salvage the season. However word had gone around and Rotherham tested the water and the move came about to get him off the wage bill.

Talking to Joe you got a sense of the frustration with how the season has gone at Bury FC. “Pre season was really good, everyone was settled and we were going into it in a really positive mood wanting to improve on what we did last year. The side was full of plenty of lads with things to prove; Marshy, Lenny and others. We played Bradford and battered them, then Richie left and it hit the lads really hard. We’d had every day with him over pre season and Shirty and Futch got thrown in at the deep end.”

The early season obviously still grates on Joe; “we had no luck at all, Notts County was a perfect example, it was the most one sided game I ever played in but they scored in first and last minutes and we lost 2-0. Unfortunately the run of 8 games set in and it felt like a really long time, runs like that feel like a long time.” (I agreed it felt equally as long from our perspective too.)

The arrival of Kevin Blackwell changed the focus of the club, Joe explained:
“the run of 8 games showed something wasn’t working and the gaffer tried to change it. He knew what he wanted and brought in some more experienced players who’d been there and done it a bit. Dom Poleon did really well, Tom Soares was a great signing, Matt Docherty is now in the Wolves team but everything we tried to do, something else popped up to stop us. The Bournemouth game was a killer, we’d gone on a run and the last minute goal that saved Eddie Howe’s record for the draw stopped us from getting out of the bottom four, and from then there was always another hurdle that stopped us doing it. There was always something.”

I really felt for Joe, and the lads, when he tried to express his thoughts on the latter stages of the season “I know some people will be angry at what’s gone on, but he did his best with what he could do. Tom Soares did everything he could to help us out. It feels like the club fought so hard to get out of league 2 and it’s just been thrown away.”

I moved Joe onto his arrival at Gigg Lane, Shrewsbury had shown an interest and a few other clubs but once he’d met Alan Knill and heard what he wanted to do he wanted to play for him. 
“He’s the best manager I’ve played for in my career so far. He got my career going again, I was low in confidence and my career was going downhill, but he picked me up and got it going again. Everything he had us set up to do was right, and worked. Some good lads brought in, people with things to prove and the loan lads and the experienced core of Lowey, Sodje, Sweens and Schuey. Everything about it was enjoyable, we started slowly and were mid table but from November on we were playing teams off the park, passing them to death, especially away. I enjoyed every minute of the first two years, it couldn’t have been more perfect really.”

Alan Knill’s departure was obviously a blow and I was curious how it had impacted on the team. “I was really sad, he’d brought me and many of the lads in and first training afterwards was a shambles with Sodje, Schuey and Lowey. We realised we’d need someone in charge quick and we’d been told to expect to see Iain Dowey the following morning. But the experienced lads suggested we needed some continuity and it’d be better if Richie (Barker) did it til the end of the season keeping it going and just tinkering with a few things.”

Joe obviously took as much pleasure from the final 8 games as we all did and was animated as he described the process of how the momentum built from Nicky Ajose’s first minute goal v Oxford “I’ve never heard Gigg Lane so loud, it was like a release and we just kept winning, the lads were flying out of the traps Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday for 3 weeks we just kept winning, suddenly we were at Chesterfield and it was my best day in Football.”
For some of the Shakers I mentioned at the beginning, this was their first season supporting Bury where something positive came from it, for others it had been 14 years since the champion team of Lucketti, Butler, Johnson and Carter so that emotion was equally shared.


The way the side that year played and their togetherness is a marked contrast from the revolving door of players this year. Joe waxed lyrical about his friend Tom Lees and the part he played in that side
“He’s the best player I’ve played with for sure, the best with everything he had. We travelled in together every day for a season and I see him regularly still for something to eat and a catch up.  Look at him now, 150 league games for Leeds by 22 and England U21 international. He’d win games for us on his own, popping up with a header, just class. I’ve played with a few though, Peter Sweeney can manoeuvre his way out of a situation no one else can and then pick you out on the other wing with a 70 yard pass, Schuey, Jonah (Mike Jones), Nicky, Lowey were all class players. If we’d been able to have kept all those players we’d have gone up again.”
The delight in talking about this side and the players had us both talking with beaming smiles reminiscing. “The whole side went out after, you sometimes get players wanting to do their own thing but everyone was there, celebrating together.”

Joe returned to the managers he’s worked for at Bury, I asked him about the differences between them all.
“Alan Knill was a quiet guy, a lot calmer, got things set up right and if you didn’t follow it through he’d just tell you he was disappointed, you don’t need a DVD to know if you’ve made a mistake. He had Brassy who would be the one to give out the bollockings or pick up everybodies spirits if we’d lost, then Knilly would come down and it was time to work again.
Richie Barker was similar to Knilly, quite calm training was really good and he makes it enjoyable. At times you could tell it was his first job sometimes things would get on top of him, especially when we went on that run (after Christmas) and people getting on his back, but I think he learned a lot from it and made him a stronger manager and person. He lets you go out and enjoy yourself on the pitch.
Under Kevin (Blackwell); one to one when you talk to him he’s so knowledgeable and he likes high tempo training and wants you to work really hard, like I do. He’s been at big clubs and has high expectations which he’s had to pull back through no fault of his own with circumstances this year, he came in and decided we weren’t fit enough and changed the training. I can tell you this, Bury aren’t going down because they weren’t fit or training hard.”
I suggested that the training may have led to some of the injuries which have plagued the season, Joe was honest “some people need different things, it did me no harm but others may need a rest, it may do, who knows?” Later we mused if Kevin’s high standards would allow him to manage in league two, and agreed that it was going to be interesting to see what happened next.”

I suggested he was still a front runner for player of the season, Joe laughed and told me “Schuey is player of the season, 10 goals from midfield in a struggling side is great, a top side would take that, it’s just a shame we could never get a striker in form to go with him and knock in the chances we creating. We drew too many we might as well win one lose one than all those draws, conceded as many as last year but couldn’t score enough.”

Joe’s memories from Gigg are all positive; “from the day I joined to the day I left its all positive. There’s been some downers obviously, losing home and away at Rochdale, that’s not good getting some Twitter abuse etc but that’s part of it taking the lows and the highs, but then you balance that with what happened at Chesterfield I don’t think anything will beat that, the way it happened, and staying up the next year, first day at Huddersfield showing we were ready for league one was brilliant. The whole three years I’ve not a missed a game through injury, just one suspended, never missed a day training, its just been a great experience for me. Travelling over, some of those car shares with Leesy, then Giles (Coke), Nathan (Clarke), Grella. We had a spell of tyre blow outs and could never change them, but good laughs too.”

Reflecting on the year he commented “I just hope Bury can come back stronger, as long as the club is still there that’s the most important thing. It’s been a tough year but as long as the club survives is the main thing, doing it somehow without stretching themselves. Yes it’s league two but it’s still a good league with a few decent grounds. The fans have been always been brilliant with me, when I left I got lots of lovely messages on twitter and wishing me well and sending their thanks, really touching. Its really sad to leave but I’ve really enjoyed it.”

As we went our separate ways on the car park I reflected on our hour, chatting about a club that we both love from different perspectives. Mine from the fan angle of hopes and dreams for my team, Joe’s from the impact on his career, lifelong friendships made and personal development.  Thanks to Joe for his time in chatting to me, and for his service to the club especially as part of that special 2010/11 team.

Good luck, come back soon.

Wednesday 3 April 2013

What's so bad about league two?

In HG Wells War of the Worlds the Journalist character, who narrates the story, meets up with a young soldier, hiding away with the world at its lowest ebb and all hope lost. They share experiences before the artilleryman reveals his plan to restart human existence underground, asking the question 'what's so bad about living down there? It's not been so great up here if you want my opinion'.

This made me think of the recent events at Gigg, and posed a similar question, is league two such a bad place to be because for the last two seasons League one has been a  fairly dispiriting challenge.

There are plenty of local teams, Morecambe, Fleetwood, Accy, Dale, possibly Oldham depending on how the next few weeks pan out, all of whom may bring a reasonable number should they start ok. Slightly further afield the trip back to York is one to look forward to, Bradford home and away haven't been bad games in recent years and possibility of new grounds at Rotherham and Barnet to whet the appetite of the ticker make it a not wholly unappealing prospect.

In all probability the team that is going restart the Shakers adventure in the 'Brave New World' is going to look very different from the current one, so much nostalgia for the owners of the 2013 calendar to look forward to by October and November, and the prospects for whoever does the root and branch reform that has been promised to put us together a team that will be stable, vibrant and fit for purpose at a price that suits the position we will be in.

Having had a couple of seasons of poundings by championship rejects and wannabes, it might be nice to see my team winning again, maybe playing some nice stuff occasionally and not having to constantly explain why things are as bad as they appear to be. In the 'Brave New World' of League Two whoever is in charge might just be discussing how they have brought on a gem from non league and extolling the virtues of Craig Jones's wonderful crosses.

Who knows? With just a handful of men, maybe we can start all over again. Here's hoping.

Up the Shakers.